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the oldest and strongest human emotion

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is fear and the oldest and strongest

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type of fear is trepidation of young

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist but we

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were sure that something is lurking

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under the bed or in the closet fear

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seized even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of your king my

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name is Juan stripper join me as I

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examine unexplained creatures strange

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manifestations and remarkable realities

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovered to strange lands seeking not

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for new territory but for new knowledge

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of the supernatural come on board as we

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begin this adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio where we

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explore the unexplained here on the

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paranormal king of radio network

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I'm your host lon Strickler coming to

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within a cannon shot of historic

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Gettysburg in the cryptid mecca

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Pennsylvania I thank you for joining me

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so let's get right into the show tonight

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I'm joined by two members of the

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families of monsters 14 research team

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Tobias Whalen is an investigator and

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researcher who was based in Madison

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Wisconsin his group is the singer 14

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Society which can be found at singular

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along with his talented wife Emily he

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investigates a variety of unexplained

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incident throughout the Upper Midwest

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and regions surrounding Lake Michigan

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Timothy Renner is an investigator and

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podcaster who's based in York County

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Pennsylvania his website can be found at

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strange familiars dot-com or you can

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also find his podcast tim is an the

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author of several books that contain his

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research and case logs both of these

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gentlemen a part of a well-rounded and

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knowledgeable team that includes butch

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wachowski Sean Forker Emily Whalen Troy

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no Vance Nesbitt Rob Shaw and psychic

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medium Brett Butler and remote viewer

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Dilys cook so guys thanks for joining me

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tonight

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thanks having me long yeah thank for

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having me always great to be on our teen

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radio so let's get right into it

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Tobias what uh what have you been

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working on aside from the 14 research

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team so sort of outside of the Lake

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Michigan Mothman stuff yeah well you

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know interestingly of Emily and I had an

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opportunity last weekend to go to Farrar

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Iowa if you haven't heard of it that's

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a small unincorporated town just outside

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of Des Moines like like that area and

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they have this schoolhouse there which I

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believe was built in 1922 and it was

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actually an inactive schoolhouse until

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just after the turn of the millennium so

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2001 2002 and in 2006 it was bought by a

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couple and and they originally intended

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to you know fix it up use it for you

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know just as a venue so like weddings

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and and receptions things things like

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that and you know they almost

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immediately had a series of strange

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paranormal events III believe one of

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them that they really stood out was the

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wife was on the the stairs and she felt

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some some kind of presence and she you

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know she was she was pushed and and it

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turns out that and a lot of these

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stories I wasn't able to to confirm but

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there had been some sort of history of

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people reporting paranormal phenomena

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throughout sort of the school's history

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which I don't think is a huge surprise

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to anybody considering you know its its

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age and so we were invited there by Fox

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Valley Ghost Hunters and and they were

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putting on a a combination conference

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and investigation and so we got to go

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and investigate there Friday and

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Saturday and it's a it's a pretty

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interesting place originally we were

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going to stay overnight both nights but

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I'm sure as you guys remember you know

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it was well over a hundred degrees with

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the the heat index up into you know 110

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degrees or something other worse than

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our old house on a hot day they that was

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their old school house too is you know

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I've even ventilated worse than a normal

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house honourary and so you know like

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that that idea didn't lie

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very long so we ended up getting a hotel

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but you know we had unlimited access we

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we stayed pretty late both nights and

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though even having done some some actual

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digging like we were never able to

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really confirm any of the reports

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attached to that place insofar as there

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weren't a lot of witnesses on the record

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or even really stories by a lot of

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established investigators that had you

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know published things at least under

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their own credibility and you know

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there's probably gonna be a dozen people

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after this that come out and say well

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you didn't look at this or I wrote this

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or and hey awesome that would be great I

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would love to read about it but before

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we went we weren't able to to find any

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of that stuff and and I I didn't really

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find a whole lot of it once we were

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results so I don't know how you guys

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feel about those ghost boxes or spirit

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boxes I had never actually worked with

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one before but there were a couple of

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guys there Katie and and Doug from

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Supernatural lank and they hand make

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these these spirit boxes and you know

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heck right like we're here we're with

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these ghost hunting teams they've got

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experience using these ghost boxes they

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swear by results so you know we we might

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as well use them and some of the results

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were fairly surprising to me you know I

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never have really placed a lot of faith

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in any of the sort of technical

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mumbo-jumbo that people will will use

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found its its popularity through reality

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television but you know this is this is

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something that I I think we might

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actually try on on

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placed orders with with Katie for for

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him to make us you know yeah two of his

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two of his ghost box with ghost boxes

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but anyway so I we we did have some some

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interesting results you know we were

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upstairs in the auditorium on the first

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night and we were sitting in a circle

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you know lights out and you know people

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were asking questions to this box and

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you know I I swear that that it was

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giving some kind of in intelligent and

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intelligible responses and I you know I

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confirmation bias but you know it really

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felt in that moment like we were

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communicating with something and so this

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thing comes through and you know says

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it's it it's name is filip and you know

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people sort of surmise that it was a

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possibly a student there at one time I

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don't really know and and yeah yeah you

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know I had a little conversation kind of

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and it was it was more than I think you

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know we would normally expect to get on

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in investigation as far as something

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that you know say we could show an

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audience something that I could record

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and be like hey you know look at this

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what do you what do you think about this

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alright and there were a few incidents

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like that I mean you know Emily and I

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had some of the the stuff that that we

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would expect personally it's you know

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it's just so difficult to relay a

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feeling through through video or audio

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or anything you know so when we had an

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odd feeling or or maybe we would we

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would see a shadow person or something

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it's difficult to capture that stuff and

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so I just thought it was interesting how

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the the Ghost Box sort of you know

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brought a little more life be you know

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be because they had you know other

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people had brought

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like you know the EMF detectors and

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stuff like that and I you know you're

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wandering around in an old building you

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know I I i could see how there would be

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a lot of false positives on something

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like that i I really do I mean with with

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with old wiring and just everything else

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I mean heck honestly like there are

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natural EMF fields that that can occur

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and there's just a lot of different

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things that could go wrong which

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personally I think is probably why they

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gained so much popularity because it's

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so easy to find in EMF field pretty much

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anywhere you are that you know you're

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gonna get a lot of that confirmation

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bias by it especially in an older older

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location that's got wiring oh yeah

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absolutely you know like we were in the

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Al ringling mansion a few years ago and

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you know we had some some interesting

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electrical you know phenomena there and

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some sort of natural event I mean there

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was there was a lightning storm

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happening you know like that house is

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it's old as hell it's it's got a bunch

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of like uninsulated wiring in it I mean

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who knows and I'm sure this this school

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was was no better because it clearly

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hadn't been renovated I it didn't take

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them very long after the initial event

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experienced by the the wife on that

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staircase for them to decide that they

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were gonna use this for you know

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paranormal events and investigations and

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things um but you know honestly more

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interestingly than that initial

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auditorium session and in the actual

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investigation that evening it went on

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for a while there there were some other

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interesting results but I think probably

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the most fascinating thing for me was on

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Saturday there's this this creepy old

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boiler room and and we are down in there

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and you know Katie's got his his ghost

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box and we're we're asking questions and

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it was enough

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the situation with this piece of

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equipment where you know I swear where

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we're getting some kind of intelligible

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response and and it was creepy you know

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investigations you know I I always have

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that sort of autonomous you know sort of

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startled response that you really like

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you can just never get rid of it's it's

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automatic there's nothing you can do

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about it but as far as I really getting

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creeped out with it that never happens

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but you know I was creeped out here

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started asking questions and getting

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responses through this box from

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something that and I you know in

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hindsight outside of that moment it

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honestly sounds a little silly but but

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bear with me here we start getting

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responses from this thing that is

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telling us that the master is is coming

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and you know and people are asking who

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is the master and in this that and the

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other and and we're just getting all

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kinds of strange responses and it seems

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very you know very much like it's

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avoiding that that question and just

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sort of tying with everybody and and it

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was just creepy you know I I don't know

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how else to put it and I don't think

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probably I'm doing it a lot of justice

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by by just talking about it it really

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it's one of those things where we've

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we've got this footage that you know

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because we were recording and so like

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we've got this footage that will get

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edited and everything and we'll put it

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together and probably put it up on

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patreon or something and but yeah you

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know it was it was it was it was

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something else so that was a lot of fun

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you know we try to get out into the

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field as as much as possible but you

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know it it can be tough and you know so

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it was it was nice to be able to to

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travel a little bit

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get out somewhere we'd never been before

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and and you know it experienced you know

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pretty convincing

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of paranormal activity those ghost boxes

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you know I'm I'm really really

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interested in I'm Irene I want to get

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one for myself I you know someone has

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said to me before well you know how do

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you know it's it's ghosts and I replied

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well you don't you didn't write it yes

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but they were like well you're just

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doing that with your mind I'm like okay

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that's still really really interesting

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to me you know oh yeah I mean that was

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you know I actually had a conversation

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with a couple of guys there I mean

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basically about exactly what you're

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talking about him and it's that yeah I

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mean you you you don't know with with

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what you are communicating and even if

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somehow yeah I mean like through some

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unknown psychic mechanism you know like

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you are are subconsciously influencing

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this device I mean that's pretty amazing

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exactly yeah to me it's it's no less

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fascinating and no less worthy of

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experimenting with because if you get

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different results depending on these you

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know in these haunted group locations

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and you would somewhere else

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well that that should tell you something

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as well they're they're very interesting

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tools I think oh yeah I mean I'm very

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much looking forward to getting ours you

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know we've we talked to Jay pachow chin

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you know pretty pretty frequently he's a

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he's a good friend and you know we we

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want to get those out to the Kettle

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Moraine forest actually because that

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place I think we could get some

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interesting results there I mean because

331
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it's not I mean that cattle brain to me

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isn't great evidence for Bigfoot as an

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undiscovered ape and I I'm sure it

334
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probably has a lot to say about this

335
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yeah yeah it's it's it's way weirder

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it's so much weirder and with all of the

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associated

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you know high strangeness phenomena

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present if you know these ghost boxes do

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represent some

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you know medium that can be influenced

342
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by you know otherworldly consciousness

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in in some way then you know I I would

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think that the Kettle Moraine State

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Forest would probably be a pretty good

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place to to test that yeah I'm always

347
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dubious about this electronic equipment

348
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and all the new stuff that comes out as

349
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for it being used in paranormal

350
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investigations you know now first we had

351
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way out of the spirit box has been out

352
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for a while now but you know you got the

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oculus and then you got a lot of

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renditions on this this Ghost Box thing

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or what they call Frank's box originally

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right I don't know you know I've gotten

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a lot of arguments with people about

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that and you know I I don't

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I personally don't hold a lot of

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credibility to it but you know who knows

361
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oh sure I mean I sort of the the way I

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look at it is you know there there's not

363
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anything necessarily special about it I

364
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guess that that makes it work better

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than any other divin Ettore method I I

366
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just think that it is you know the type

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of method of divination that would allow

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for the results thereof to be easily

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translatable to somebody else I mean I

370
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can I can cast runes you know and and

371
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get a pretty clear message from that but

372
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it's so open to interpretation that if

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you you know even if I have a camera

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pointing at it people will go well I

375
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mean you can see anything you want in

376
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there which is a pretty fair assessment

377
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if I managed to capture you know

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something on a ghost box answering a

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question or something I again I don't

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think there's any necessarily intrinsic

381
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capability of that over some other type

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of or you know of device or method but

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it it just gets it in a way where I I

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would be able to at least try to show it

385
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to people but you know

386
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I honestly don't have a lot of

387
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experience with it at this point so I

388
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had one cool weekend yeah yeah that's

389
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one good thing so Tim what you've you've

390
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been personally working on ah this heats

391
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been yes putting a damper I know it's

392
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it's a [\h__\h] it really is it's I have

393
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not been good not much I did get out

394
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last week and there's a really cool

395
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cemetery in Columbia Pennsylvania it's I

396
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mean it's completely private at this

397
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point and it's taken care of by you know

398
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individuals a group of individuals and

399
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so forth but was able to gain access to

400
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the cemetery and I did a book signing

401
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there last week so I didn't get a chance

402
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to check it out too much although I did

403
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have some interesting things and a guy

404
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that was with me got a pretty

405
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interesting recording his cell phone was

406
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recording he didn't even know it was

407
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turned on and he came home with the

408
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recording of you know it's just a second

409
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or two but it's just a pretty

410
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interesting little clip that he got but

411
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I wrote to the people and I asked if I

412
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could get access to that again and so

413
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they gave me access I'm going back this

414
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weekend good yeah real excited for that

415
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so I can be there at night so on the

416
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Bigfoot front or whatever is out there

417
00:20:16,930 --> 00:20:14,460
running around through the woods what's

418
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been going on with you in your area Oh

419
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slow year you know that last summer was

420
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I was getting calls every month one

421
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month I think last summer either either

422
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the end of the spring or early part of

423
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summer I got three calls from York

424
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County in one month which is you know

425
00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:33,590
that's pretty good for for Bigfoot calls

426
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this year just it's been just kind of

427
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dead I got a call back in January and

428
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then there was a the woman you turn me

429
00:20:50,260 --> 00:20:45,030
on to in America and Maryland just over

430
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the line the in kind of wing goes there

431
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so that was what has there been a follow

432
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up with that she said it's been quiet

433
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she said it's been real quiet best that

434
00:21:04,780 --> 00:21:03,450
was her name right right she so has been

435
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real quiet there

436
00:21:08,980 --> 00:21:06,950
nothing to report cuz I was gonna go out

437
00:21:11,860 --> 00:21:08,990
one night you know she said I was

438
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welcome to come out at any time I was

439
00:21:17,410 --> 00:21:15,250
gonna go out and you know just you know

440
00:21:19,510 --> 00:21:17,420
spend the night there not not the whole

441
00:21:21,220 --> 00:21:19,520
night but you know the late evening and

442
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:21,230
and she said really there's just been

443
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nothing and she talked to her neighbor

444
00:21:25,990 --> 00:21:23,960
her neighbor was having you know

445
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frequent semi frequent encounters and so

446
00:21:30,160 --> 00:21:28,220
forth with with odd stuff and he said

447
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it's been quiet so I said well maybe

448
00:21:34,570 --> 00:21:31,730
I'll just put it off until you know

449
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:34,580
after the seats done and and I'll come

450
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out again so um the most interesting

451
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thing about that and did we talk about

452
00:21:43,660 --> 00:21:41,390
that before one here I don't know if we

453
00:21:48,340 --> 00:21:43,670
did or not I don't know lay it on me man

454
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so I went out there and she works with

455
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the public I'm not sure how much

456
00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:51,230
information you know she would want us

457
00:21:55,390 --> 00:21:52,370
to give out but she worked with the

458
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public locally mm-hmm and she had talked

459
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to all her neighbors and just gotten all

460
00:22:01,960 --> 00:21:59,900
these stories it was like a little you

461
00:22:05,710 --> 00:22:01,970
know mini town hall she put on for me

462
00:22:07,150 --> 00:22:05,720
when when I came out there and she had

463
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you know her neighbors over and they're

464
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talking about all these different things

465
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they experienced she her husband saw

466
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something

467
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now she originally saw what she

468
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described as a big black wolf that's

469
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what she saw she didn't see Bigfoot and

470
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it was quadrupedal whatever she saw but

471
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she said it was absolutely huge and then

472
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but then her husband saw something big

473
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up right walk past their balcony and he

474
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showed me you know exactly the window he

475
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looked out and saw it and just saw

476
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something hairy move and their balcony

477
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sits any eight feet off the ground

478
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anyway so whatever he saw above that had

479
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to be taller than that mhm

480
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very credible very credible and then

481
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like I said she brought her neighbors

482
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over and they're telling me stories and

483
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and all their stories were Bigfoot so

484
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she is the only one who saw this black

485
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wolf thing whatever that is and yeah you

486
00:22:56,350 --> 00:22:54,230
know you could guess is because a dog

487
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man is it just a big black dog I don't

488
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know exactly what it was I think she

489
00:23:02,590 --> 00:22:59,960
said werewolf but she did say it was a

490
00:23:05,340 --> 00:23:02,600
quadrupedal yeah that she said to me she

491
00:23:08,770 --> 00:23:05,350
said the werewolf thing is what kind of

492
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struck me when she was talking about it

493
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and now she I guess I'll say it she

494
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works she has her own beauty shop and

495
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she has a lot of people coming in

496
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and yes he is a great witness she is

497
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fearless about talking to people about

498
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asking him if they'd seen anything she's

499
00:23:30,590 --> 00:23:29,039
just super nice lady - yeah yeah well I

500
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think I think there's a lot of

501
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possibilities there maybe when the

502
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weather does you know going into the

503
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fall things might it might be good to

504
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because you know you know the these

505
00:23:47,270 --> 00:23:42,299
upright canine sightings do seem to pick

506
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up in the fall late summer overall now

507
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as far as what other parts of PA

508
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Pennsylvania you know I don't know I

509
00:24:02,390 --> 00:23:57,059
mean it kind of has been somewhat slow

510
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I have Shawn looking into a case up in

511
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Centre County again because that area

512
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around Rothrock State Park I don't know

513
00:24:14,180 --> 00:24:11,100
what it is but we've had a couple of

514
00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:14,190
upright keen on sightings and a couple

515
00:24:21,770 --> 00:24:17,250
of Bigfoot sightings now this involved

516
00:24:26,120 --> 00:24:21,780
two residents that have lived on there

517
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:26,130
this property for a long time and they

518
00:24:33,049 --> 00:24:29,730
live right outside of the State Park but

519
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:33,059
they have been hearing very loud and

520
00:24:41,779 --> 00:24:36,960
deep growling sound near their home at

521
00:24:44,870 --> 00:24:41,789
night and they had one night where they

522
00:24:46,730 --> 00:24:44,880
were in bed and heard what basically

523
00:24:51,770 --> 00:24:46,740
sound like he described his tree

524
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:51,780
knocking so I don't know what's going on

525
00:24:56,450 --> 00:24:54,690
there so Shawn doesn't live that far

526
00:24:59,899 --> 00:24:56,460
from there so he's supposed to be

527
00:25:02,450 --> 00:24:59,909
supposed to get hold of them I may have

528
00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:02,460
to follow up with them so they needed to

529
00:25:07,970 --> 00:25:04,770
talk to him but that sounds interesting

530
00:25:12,890 --> 00:25:07,980
of course if butch was wasn't on the men

531
00:25:17,180 --> 00:25:12,900
he'ii be up there so but Troy was up

532
00:25:19,510 --> 00:25:17,190
there while butch was incapacitated and

533
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:19,520
he was up there following another case

534
00:25:26,299 --> 00:25:23,010
or in in Roth Rock State Park of an

535
00:25:28,250 --> 00:25:26,309
upright canine and you know we're still

536
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,260
working on that so there's a lot going

537
00:25:32,360 --> 00:25:30,659
on there

538
00:25:35,540 --> 00:25:32,370
of course I've been talking

539
00:25:39,500 --> 00:25:35,550
Stan Gordon and he's been getting them

540
00:25:42,890 --> 00:25:39,510
uh he's been getting a lot of reports in

541
00:25:45,350 --> 00:25:42,900
western Pennsylvania yeah so uh was it

542
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:45,360
him or Altman or was it Shawn somebody

543
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:47,580
was talking about a recent Bigfoot

544
00:25:53,299 --> 00:25:49,410
reports that rolled in from out there

545
00:25:56,360 --> 00:25:53,309
yeah Altman's been working out in what

546
00:26:01,580 --> 00:25:56,370
him and stand both that Armstrong County

547
00:26:05,060 --> 00:26:01,590
area has been pretty heavily reported

548
00:26:09,020 --> 00:26:05,070
for several years now and I had gotten a

549
00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:09,030
report from about five years ago where

550
00:26:14,690 --> 00:26:12,090
this aggressive big what they think was

551
00:26:19,010 --> 00:26:14,700
a Bigfoot was throwing rocks at people

552
00:26:21,710 --> 00:26:19,020
fishing on the Allegheny River and I've

553
00:26:26,570 --> 00:26:21,720
heard that story before because now this

554
00:26:30,260 --> 00:26:26,580
area was what they called North Buffalo

555
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:30,270
which is just west going towards

556
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:34,110
Pittsburgh from some of the other areas

557
00:26:45,830 --> 00:26:39,690
from which we've gotten reports get kid

558
00:26:47,150 --> 00:26:45,840
a tanning area and Ford City so I mean

559
00:26:51,919 --> 00:26:47,160
it's an area that's hot

560
00:26:53,180 --> 00:26:51,929
it's it always has been yeah yeah

561
00:26:54,470 --> 00:26:53,190
between all the sayings they get out

562
00:27:00,980 --> 00:26:54,480
there and all the festivals they have

563
00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:00,990
I'm slightly jealous wasn't so bad last

564
00:27:03,830 --> 00:27:02,010
year when I was getting a ton of

565
00:27:07,730 --> 00:27:03,840
sightings here I was like oh you were

566
00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:07,740
busy yeah it's just really slowed down

567
00:27:11,299 --> 00:27:09,210
now it could just be the Heat's keeping

568
00:27:12,860 --> 00:27:11,309
people up from outside you know and Bob

569
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:12,870
if you're not outside you're not gonna

570
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,179
see stuff that's it I mean I think the

571
00:27:19,940 --> 00:27:17,760
heat has been a hindrance because of

572
00:27:21,590 --> 00:27:19,950
course people that you know go out on

573
00:27:26,930 --> 00:27:21,600
alleys and stuff they're not going out

574
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:26,940
in this heat right so I don't know Soto

575
00:27:37,250 --> 00:27:31,950
Tobias have you gotten anything further

576
00:27:41,270 --> 00:27:37,260
as far as wind reports yeah you know I I

577
00:27:44,120 --> 00:27:41,280
do receive those still occasionally Oh

578
00:27:45,860 --> 00:27:44,130
first I should correct what I said

579
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:45,870
earlier I knew I was going to do this

580
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:49,050
I heard that that lady's ghost story so

581
00:27:54,170 --> 00:27:52,140
she was actually on the stairs and she

582
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:54,180
lost her balance and she felt phantom

583
00:27:58,970 --> 00:27:56,310
hands catch her and that was yeah that

584
00:28:01,280 --> 00:27:58,980
was her big yeah yeah

585
00:28:04,820 --> 00:28:01,290
which is a much more more interesting

586
00:28:06,980 --> 00:28:04,830
story um anyway as far as winged

587
00:28:10,330 --> 00:28:06,990
creature reports you know I I don't even

588
00:28:12,980 --> 00:28:10,340
know that we covered all of the entering

589
00:28:16,700 --> 00:28:12,990
interesting stuff that's that's happened

590
00:28:22,010 --> 00:28:16,710
in Woodstock yeah what you want you talk

591
00:28:24,290 --> 00:28:22,020
about that because that is wild I was

592
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:24,300
talking well I was talking to that

593
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:27,210
producer today about that hmm the one I

594
00:28:35,150 --> 00:28:31,890
let have you getting ahold of and I told

595
00:28:36,770 --> 00:28:35,160
her about the Woodstock sightings where

596
00:28:39,230 --> 00:28:36,780
people were describing something that

597
00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:39,240
looked like a sasquatch with wing mates

598
00:28:45,350 --> 00:28:41,850
right yeah but go ahead talk about that

599
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:45,360
oh sure yeah I mean so you know February

600
00:28:52,130 --> 00:28:49,320
22nd 2019 so this is only a few months

601
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:52,140
ago you know a guy is coming home from

602
00:28:59,630 --> 00:28:55,170
Walgreens which by the way I love this

603
00:29:01,790 --> 00:28:59,640
story narrative Lee because of those

604
00:29:03,860 --> 00:29:01,800
mundane details I mean if you can just

605
00:29:06,050 --> 00:29:03,870
picture having to run out to the

606
00:29:08,270 --> 00:29:06,060
drugstore some night and then you're

607
00:29:11,660 --> 00:29:08,280
driving home from Walgreens and the last

608
00:29:15,380 --> 00:29:11,670
thing you expect to see is this you know

609
00:29:18,260 --> 00:29:15,390
eight to nine foot tall hairy humanoid

610
00:29:21,740 --> 00:29:18,270
with with with leathery bat like

611
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:21,750
gargoyle wings you know and so yeah I

612
00:29:28,220 --> 00:29:23,490
mean literally disguises running errands

613
00:29:32,870 --> 00:29:28,230
and he happens to live in the vicinity

614
00:29:35,210 --> 00:29:32,880
of the do field conservation area in in

615
00:29:37,310 --> 00:29:35,220
Woodstock Illinois which is you know

616
00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:37,320
it's a pretty expansive area you know

617
00:29:44,450 --> 00:29:42,540
thousands of acres of of just wetlands

618
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:44,460
basically you know I've been out there

619
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:47,850
and and there's a good amount of tree

620
00:29:51,680 --> 00:29:49,290
cover and stuff but I mean that's what

621
00:29:52,550 --> 00:29:51,690
swamps are they're just you know they're

622
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:52,560
there

623
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:55,290
muddy ground with with a few feet of

624
00:29:58,410 --> 00:29:57,090
water and a bunch of trees and that's

625
00:30:00,720 --> 00:29:58,420
most of the

626
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:00,730
the midwest at least like wisconsin and

627
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:02,890
in Illinois and Missouri were just a big

628
00:30:13,140 --> 00:30:06,850
swamp and well we're a big swamp that

629
00:30:16,410 --> 00:30:13,150
freezes sometimes and so you know he is

630
00:30:19,730 --> 00:30:16,420
driving home and it's it's dark out and

631
00:30:24,590 --> 00:30:19,740
in his his headlights he sees this thing

632
00:30:28,290 --> 00:30:24,600
you know cross from the area of do field

633
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:28,300
pond the the conservation area across

634
00:30:31,890 --> 00:30:30,010
the street in front of him and he says

635
00:30:34,260 --> 00:30:31,900
it looks like what I just described you

636
00:30:38,060 --> 00:30:34,270
know it's like his 8 foot tall

637
00:30:41,430 --> 00:30:38,070
you know hairy humanoid with with

638
00:30:44,580 --> 00:30:41,440
leathery you know membranous bat-like

639
00:30:47,340 --> 00:30:44,590
wings and you know he sees it for a few

640
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:47,350
seconds but really it's it's dark enough

641
00:30:51,270 --> 00:30:49,090
out where and it happens you know

642
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:51,280
relatively quickly so he doesn't really

643
00:30:59,400 --> 00:30:55,530
see it outside of the area of

644
00:31:03,570 --> 00:30:59,410
illumination from his headlights but you

645
00:31:06,420 --> 00:31:03,580
know he's shocked to say the absolute

646
00:31:09,300 --> 00:31:06,430
least you know III know you spoke to him

647
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:09,310
one and and and I talked to him too and

648
00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:12,010
you know I'll tell you it was it took

649
00:31:17,460 --> 00:31:15,310
some convincing to get Emily and I down

650
00:31:20,540 --> 00:31:17,470
there and it's it's not that we didn't

651
00:31:23,730 --> 00:31:20,550
want to go you know this guy was scared

652
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:23,740
not just of what he had seen you know

653
00:31:31,650 --> 00:31:28,360
but sort of as a sane rational person

654
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:31,660
like he knew what this kind of story

655
00:31:37,110 --> 00:31:34,210
could mean for his life and for his

656
00:31:41,220 --> 00:31:37,120
family and so he definitely didn't want

657
00:31:43,140 --> 00:31:41,230
that to get out and so you know I had to

658
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:43,150
tell him a little bit of what we're

659
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:45,370
about and and you know talked to his

660
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:47,290
wife and explained to her a little bit

661
00:31:52,620 --> 00:31:49,210
of what Emily and I are about and how we

662
00:31:57,030 --> 00:31:52,630
do things and and and and they agreed to

663
00:31:58,590 --> 00:31:57,040
let us come down and and we they were

664
00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:58,600
nice enough to take us out to the

665
00:32:04,020 --> 00:32:00,100
sighting areas we walked around do

666
00:32:08,220 --> 00:32:04,030
filled pond and it's it's an interesting

667
00:32:11,860 --> 00:32:08,230
area like a lot of Illinois outside of

668
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:11,870
Chicago it is a fairly natural

669
00:32:16,299 --> 00:32:14,690
area you know it's it's it's it's God

670
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:16,309
houses and stuff but you don't have to

671
00:32:21,430 --> 00:32:19,280
go very far before it just feels and and

672
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:21,440
and wetlands and Forests and and that's

673
00:32:28,060 --> 00:32:25,850
it in anyway so they they took us around

674
00:32:31,540 --> 00:32:28,070
and and we were looking at things and I

675
00:32:34,030 --> 00:32:31,550
found one particularly interesting

676
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:34,040
footprint and you know it's it's on the

677
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:35,570
the website because we went back and

678
00:32:40,810 --> 00:32:38,570
updated the original article on there

679
00:32:44,260 --> 00:32:40,820
and and I'm not talking about the one

680
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:44,270
that he had sent you know with his uh or

681
00:32:48,370 --> 00:32:46,910
that they had sent it at some point like

682
00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:48,380
either with or immediately following

683
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:51,190
that initial report like this was a a

684
00:32:59,460 --> 00:32:53,510
different photograph so there it's just

685
00:33:04,210 --> 00:32:59,470
one footprint and it looks like an

686
00:33:06,790 --> 00:33:04,220
elongated you know human print in in ice

687
00:33:08,530 --> 00:33:06,800
and it was in ice so the absolute best

688
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:08,540
we could do was just take a picture of

689
00:33:11,230 --> 00:33:09,650
it you know you're not gonna need to

690
00:33:14,169 --> 00:33:11,240
cast out of advice or anything

691
00:33:16,030 --> 00:33:14,179
unfortunately not under those weather

692
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:16,040
conditions either it was cold and

693
00:33:22,090 --> 00:33:19,490
raining and and everybody was a trooper

694
00:33:25,180 --> 00:33:22,100
for for us being out there honestly and

695
00:33:27,970 --> 00:33:25,190
so we we take some pictures of it and I

696
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:27,980
went ahead and did my best to outline it

697
00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:31,010
you know just using basic like Microsoft

698
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:34,610
Paint level technology and yeah I mean I

699
00:33:41,860 --> 00:33:37,910
I'll be damned if it didn't look like it

700
00:33:43,630 --> 00:33:41,870
had you know articulated toes on this

701
00:33:45,790 --> 00:33:43,640
footprint and the only thing that came

702
00:33:49,180 --> 00:33:45,800
to mind you know because I have to try

703
00:33:50,710 --> 00:33:49,190
to skeptically assess everything we find

704
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:50,720
the only thing that came to mind for

705
00:33:56,799 --> 00:33:54,010
this was you know because it had been

706
00:33:58,930 --> 00:33:56,809
relatively warm off and on you know like

707
00:34:01,210 --> 00:33:58,940
we were there in in early March which

708
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:01,220
was just a couple of weeks after the

709
00:34:09,180 --> 00:34:04,850
deciding took place and you know

710
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:09,190
February and March in in in this area

711
00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:11,960
the the weather is pretty pretty

712
00:34:16,540 --> 00:34:14,090
swinging and and so there had been some

713
00:34:19,270 --> 00:34:16,550
relatively warm days in and so the only

714
00:34:21,159 --> 00:34:19,280
thing I could think of is maybe somebody

715
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:21,169
had been wearing those running shoes

716
00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:23,810
that you know that have the individual

717
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:25,010
toes

718
00:34:30,100 --> 00:34:27,770
and yeah and had left this print there

719
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:30,110
and then maybe like the Sun had melted

720
00:34:35,830 --> 00:34:33,290
it and made it miss shapen so it was

721
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:35,840
extra long and weird and and whatever

722
00:34:42,149 --> 00:34:40,010
and I mean I can't I don't know that

723
00:34:45,610 --> 00:34:42,159
that didn't happen what I can say this

724
00:34:49,149 --> 00:34:45,620
there weren't any other prints around it

725
00:34:53,590 --> 00:34:49,159
it was there by itself and so I I don't

726
00:34:55,300 --> 00:34:53,600
know why if that was the case in all of

727
00:34:57,730 --> 00:34:55,310
the terrain that was exactly the same

728
00:35:00,160 --> 00:34:57,740
all around it there weren't any other

729
00:35:05,950 --> 00:35:00,170
similar prints left now I think we all

730
00:35:09,610 --> 00:35:05,960
know a relatively common place it is you

731
00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:09,620
know say for a Bigfoot researcher to

732
00:35:14,770 --> 00:35:13,160
find three prints in the middle of the

733
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:14,780
woods that start seemingly at an

734
00:35:20,310 --> 00:35:16,960
arbitrary place and then go nowhere and

735
00:35:23,500 --> 00:35:20,320
it's it's it's a strange phenomenon and

736
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:23,510
in you know I I don't know that that

737
00:35:30,490 --> 00:35:26,330
wasn't the case here frankly because I'm

738
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:30,500
sort of at loss to explain it with with

739
00:35:39,250 --> 00:35:36,110
any any mundane sort of explanation

740
00:35:44,230 --> 00:35:39,260
you know um but you know it didn't stop

741
00:35:47,490 --> 00:35:44,240
there as far as as Woodstock sightings

742
00:35:51,010 --> 00:35:47,500
you know um wasn't too long after that

743
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:51,020
initial one and this was I mean this was

744
00:35:55,540 --> 00:35:53,930
a big deal to me because this this this

745
00:35:59,440 --> 00:35:55,550
next one actually represented the first

746
00:36:02,140 --> 00:35:59,450
time that I had any kind of you know

747
00:36:03,460 --> 00:36:02,150
real physical proof of something weird

748
00:36:05,380 --> 00:36:03,470
happening that then that I could

749
00:36:07,150 --> 00:36:05,390
literally hold on to and so we had this

750
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:07,160
guy who cou contacted us said he was

751
00:36:13,150 --> 00:36:11,330
outside of the jewel-osco in in in

752
00:36:15,250 --> 00:36:13,160
Woodstock there which is literally right

753
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:15,260
across the street from do field pond

754
00:36:22,330 --> 00:36:18,530
it's right in that area and he said he

755
00:36:23,890 --> 00:36:22,340
was outside this this drugstore second

756
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:23,900
drugstore which is actually close to the

757
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:25,520
lagering - it's just weird and you'd

758
00:36:29,830 --> 00:36:26,570
think that they would be in competition

759
00:36:33,750 --> 00:36:29,840
but anyway so he's he's standing outside

760
00:36:37,660 --> 00:36:33,760
of this to Alaska and he's looking

761
00:36:40,359 --> 00:36:37,670
towards this towards the mick

762
00:36:41,559 --> 00:36:40,369
Henry County Fairgrounds and he's you

763
00:36:43,150 --> 00:36:41,569
know he sees this thing that he

764
00:36:47,530 --> 00:36:43,160
describes is basically what the first

765
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:47,540
witness saw and only difference being he

766
00:36:53,260 --> 00:36:50,690
says that the thing he saw had had

767
00:36:56,020 --> 00:36:53,270
bright green eyes and he said that the

768
00:36:58,059 --> 00:36:56,030
the thing charged the fence and I mean

769
00:37:01,210 --> 00:36:58,069
he was scared he was so scared that he

770
00:37:04,089 --> 00:37:01,220
called 911 and I know he called 911

771
00:37:07,809 --> 00:37:04,099
because I submitted a FOIA request to

772
00:37:09,789 --> 00:37:07,819
the McHenry County Sheriff's Department

773
00:37:14,589 --> 00:37:09,799
who were really helpful by the way and

774
00:37:16,510 --> 00:37:14,599
they sent me the incident detail report

775
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:16,520
showing that he called on one one

776
00:37:22,450 --> 00:37:19,849
showing that an officer responded the

777
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:22,460
officer you know conducted a brief

778
00:37:30,250 --> 00:37:25,190
investigation did not find a monster but

779
00:37:32,770 --> 00:37:30,260
the fact remains this guy was so

780
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:32,780
disturbed by what he saw that he called

781
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:34,609
9-1-1 and that's not something people

782
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:36,770
generally do you know very lightly

783
00:37:43,089 --> 00:37:40,640
especially these days so I was I was

784
00:37:45,220 --> 00:37:43,099
pretty impressed by that you know and of

785
00:37:45,430 --> 00:37:45,230
course that's up on the the website as

786
00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:45,440
well

787
00:37:52,270 --> 00:37:50,510
I actually went ahead and redacted some

788
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:52,280
of the information it's literally only

789
00:37:57,849 --> 00:37:55,130
people's names that I've taken out you

790
00:38:00,339 --> 00:37:57,859
know if somebody really wanted to track

791
00:38:03,220 --> 00:38:00,349
this down and harass these people they

792
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:03,230
probably could do I think they do I

793
00:38:08,170 --> 00:38:05,089
think that anybody should of course not

794
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:08,180
if you're a friend of mine thinking

795
00:38:12,309 --> 00:38:10,730
about doing that think again you know

796
00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:12,319
maybe consider it if you want to still

797
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:16,040
be my friend because I I think that

798
00:38:23,020 --> 00:38:19,490
people deserve privacy you know so but I

799
00:38:25,359 --> 00:38:23,030
also have a responsibility to present

800
00:38:28,359 --> 00:38:25,369
you know any evidence that I find so I'm

801
00:38:29,950 --> 00:38:28,369
try and you know get the the best of

802
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:29,960
both worlds so we've got a slightly

803
00:38:37,809 --> 00:38:33,530
redacted version of the actual incident

804
00:38:41,890 --> 00:38:37,819
detail report sent to us and then sort

805
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:41,900
of a tangentially related incident

806
00:38:47,170 --> 00:38:44,480
happened in early March I was contacted

807
00:38:49,809 --> 00:38:47,180
by a woman who said that she was woken

808
00:38:50,740 --> 00:38:49,819
up by like a sinister and monster like

809
00:38:54,380 --> 00:38:50,750
growl

810
00:38:57,109 --> 00:38:54,390
outside of her home and so you know

811
00:39:00,440 --> 00:38:57,119
initially of course like anybody you

812
00:39:03,380 --> 00:39:00,450
know I just considered that maybe it was

813
00:39:05,299 --> 00:39:03,390
some kind of wild animal or something

814
00:39:07,460 --> 00:39:05,309
she was home by herself her husband was

815
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,470
away on business while all this happened

816
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:10,020
you know but actually after you know

817
00:39:14,780 --> 00:39:12,569
talking to her and getting getting sort

818
00:39:16,430 --> 00:39:14,790
of the the whole story you she didn't

819
00:39:19,339 --> 00:39:16,440
find any physical evidence she she never

820
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:19,349
really went out and looked for any but

821
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:21,930
you know after having her described that

822
00:39:29,150 --> 00:39:25,050
growling I mean I don't think that she

823
00:39:32,059 --> 00:39:29,160
would have reached out to me just just

824
00:39:34,630 --> 00:39:32,069
over you know a couple of coyotes

825
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:34,640
fighting over a rabbit or something I

826
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:40,050
the way she described it was more sort

827
00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,349
of demonic you know like she and I you

828
00:39:48,049 --> 00:39:45,720
know I I know you guys know this but for

829
00:39:51,740 --> 00:39:48,059
everybody listening witnesses will often

830
00:39:53,809 --> 00:39:51,750
really struggle to describe their

831
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,819
encounters with you know seemingly

832
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:56,400
impossible phenomena to the point where

833
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:00,900
the often the best they can do is try to

834
00:40:09,589 --> 00:40:04,530
put things in I just add context by it

835
00:40:13,819 --> 00:40:09,599
by by you know using any popular culture

836
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:13,829
or or anything and so she basically was

837
00:40:18,740 --> 00:40:16,260
comparing it to you know sound of a

838
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:18,750
monster or demon you know growling from

839
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:24,510
a movie for instance and so again you

840
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:28,170
know that I don't know that it's related

841
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:31,200
to these these sightings but I felt like

842
00:40:36,579 --> 00:40:33,210
it was important enough especially

843
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:36,589
considering how the Hemant Lee she

844
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:38,970
defended the idea that it wasn't

845
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:42,480
something normal and and how you know

846
00:40:47,270 --> 00:40:44,460
how much she struggled to really

847
00:40:50,809 --> 00:40:47,280
describe it I mean if it was something

848
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:50,819
like a dog or coyote or something

849
00:40:56,299 --> 00:40:53,250
I feel like we would have figured that

850
00:41:00,950 --> 00:40:56,309
out pretty quickly but that wasn't the

851
00:41:02,860 --> 00:41:00,960
case so I mean who knows you know in the

852
00:41:06,160 --> 00:41:02,870
local media got a hold of the story

853
00:41:09,220 --> 00:41:06,170
oh yeah and I mean they didn't

854
00:41:12,010 --> 00:41:09,230
particularly help any no you know this

855
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:12,020
is what I fear them the most when we get

856
00:41:16,330 --> 00:41:13,610
these sightings then particularly what

857
00:41:18,940 --> 00:41:16,340
happened in Chicago mm-hmm

858
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:18,950
most of the time the media is not that

859
00:41:23,460 --> 00:41:20,690
helpful and when they do try to do a

860
00:41:26,020 --> 00:41:23,470
story the COS you know they trotted

861
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:26,030
sensationalize it to a point where it

862
00:41:34,060 --> 00:41:31,210
you know is it's all ridicule and though

863
00:41:36,670 --> 00:41:34,070
they're there you know the in this case

864
00:41:39,340 --> 00:41:36,680
of Chicago we were lucky enough to have

865
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:39,350
vice.com to a do an interview with a

866
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,130
witness and it was well done and it

867
00:41:48,430 --> 00:41:45,680
really did you know it really did kind

868
00:41:52,420 --> 00:41:48,440
of put things out there in the context

869
00:41:54,010 --> 00:41:52,430
it should have been put out so but yeah

870
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:54,020
that's always a problem when you get

871
00:42:00,130 --> 00:41:57,170
media involved it really is and I drew

872
00:42:01,660 --> 00:42:00,140
you know I kind of cringe when I start

873
00:42:05,650 --> 00:42:01,670
getting questions from people from the

874
00:42:09,610 --> 00:42:05,660
media oh yeah yeah why I think I told

875
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:09,620
you guys about this at the time you know

876
00:42:15,070 --> 00:42:11,930
I I had this journalist from whatever

877
00:42:17,350 --> 00:42:15,080
paper down there contact me you know and

878
00:42:20,290 --> 00:42:17,360
and she was she said something like you

879
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:20,300
know oh hey you know can you put us in

880
00:42:24,790 --> 00:42:22,760
contact with these these witnesses or

881
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:24,800
let us come with on an investigation or

882
00:42:28,990 --> 00:42:27,200
something and you know and then she

883
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:29,000
really tried to sell it by saying like

884
00:42:33,580 --> 00:42:30,410
you know I really think our our our

885
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:33,590
readers would enjoy seeing that you know

886
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:35,450
I'm just like they're already enjoying

887
00:42:42,780 --> 00:42:38,570
seeing it by going to my website so yeah

888
00:42:44,740 --> 00:42:42,790
yeah you know I don't need some

889
00:42:47,470 --> 00:42:44,750
journalists coming in here trying to

890
00:42:50,890 --> 00:42:47,480
sensationalize everything with no regard

891
00:42:53,530 --> 00:42:50,900
for what effect that has on people's

892
00:42:56,050 --> 00:42:53,540
lives like it's it's just wrong and and

893
00:42:58,210 --> 00:42:56,060
in ultimately I had to tell her to to

894
00:43:00,010 --> 00:42:58,220
kick rocks cuz you know I wasn't gonna

895
00:43:03,010 --> 00:43:00,020
have it but yeah yeah you're absolutely

896
00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:03,020
right it's it is a mess yeah I've got a

897
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,540
local journalist too pretty you know

898
00:43:09,790 --> 00:43:08,480
interested and keeps calling me as you

899
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:09,800
know I want to I want to go with it on

900
00:43:12,970 --> 00:43:11,810
out with a on a Bigfoot investigation

901
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:12,980
with you I want you to show me you know

902
00:43:15,030 --> 00:43:14,090
show me what you do and this and that

903
00:43:17,310 --> 00:43:15,040
and

904
00:43:18,750 --> 00:43:17,320
said I said well the problem is that a I

905
00:43:23,610 --> 00:43:18,760
don't know when they're coming it's not

906
00:43:25,380 --> 00:43:23,620
like I can warn you as there be a lot of

907
00:43:26,820 --> 00:43:25,390
these people you know you you have to

908
00:43:29,340 --> 00:43:26,830
drag this information out of them

909
00:43:31,860 --> 00:43:29,350
they're they're not happy this happened

910
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:31,870
you know if it's and if it's on their

911
00:43:35,100 --> 00:43:33,610
property they don't want it publicized

912
00:43:37,290 --> 00:43:35,110
in any way they don't want people coming

913
00:43:39,420 --> 00:43:37,300
on their property looking for Bigfoot so

914
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:39,430
it's it's a really delicate situation

915
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:43,630
and I'm with LAN I do not think media in

916
00:43:47,610 --> 00:43:46,540
most cases helps at all you wouldn't

917
00:43:50,220 --> 00:43:47,620
happen to it wouldn't happen to be

918
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:50,230
somebody from York would it it is yeah

919
00:43:59,400 --> 00:43:56,270
cuz I've got I've got it somebody I

920
00:44:01,110 --> 00:43:59,410
think he's more freelancing anything but

921
00:44:03,990 --> 00:44:01,120
he's always [\h__\h] the hell out of me

922
00:44:06,030 --> 00:44:04,000
and you know I do kind of get a little

923
00:44:09,330 --> 00:44:06,040
frustrated from the media sometimes but

924
00:44:12,210 --> 00:44:09,340
you know it's good in one respect but in

925
00:44:14,490 --> 00:44:12,220
most respect it's not yeah the problem

926
00:44:16,260 --> 00:44:14,500
is once it it doesn't matter what we say

927
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:16,270
because they can clip out and take

928
00:44:22,020 --> 00:44:18,490
things out of context and they don't

929
00:44:24,300 --> 00:44:22,030
have any real you know what we do we do

930
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:24,310
this daily you know I I know LAN you do

931
00:44:27,750 --> 00:44:25,810
it - I know - bias you do this daily

932
00:44:29,610 --> 00:44:27,760
this is our lives and it's something

933
00:44:32,130 --> 00:44:29,620
we're very passionate about to them it's

934
00:44:33,930 --> 00:44:32,140
a passing story and so if they don't get

935
00:44:35,790 --> 00:44:33,940
it quite right they don't care you know

936
00:44:38,310 --> 00:44:35,800
it's just another day for them you know

937
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:38,320
oh yeah yeah I mean part of the reason

938
00:44:45,150 --> 00:44:40,930
that we started the singular 40 in

939
00:44:48,830 --> 00:44:45,160
society was because of the almost total

940
00:44:52,650 --> 00:44:48,840
lack of credible media sources for this

941
00:44:57,900 --> 00:44:52,660
information I mean you have a handful of

942
00:45:00,750 --> 00:44:57,910
really solid you know blogs and and and

943
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:00,760
and and websites and stuff but if you're

944
00:45:07,980 --> 00:45:03,970
talking about people just reporting the

945
00:45:10,410 --> 00:45:07,990
news it's garbage you know it's it's all

946
00:45:12,780 --> 00:45:10,420
garbage and I was like well who's who's

947
00:45:15,060 --> 00:45:12,790
reporting the the paranormal news like

948
00:45:18,570 --> 00:45:15,070
like who's who's putting the like the

949
00:45:20,640 --> 00:45:18,580
journalist had on and in in in covering

950
00:45:22,500 --> 00:45:20,650
paranormal news like people cover

951
00:45:25,470 --> 00:45:22,510
science news you know like something

952
00:45:28,850 --> 00:45:25,480
somebody needs to do that so yeah it's

953
00:45:36,270 --> 00:45:31,920
so I don't know is there anything else

954
00:45:38,180 --> 00:45:36,280
you want to cover all Tim I mean that

955
00:45:42,750 --> 00:45:38,190
you wanted to mention

956
00:45:44,580 --> 00:45:42,760
um well I talked to witnesses every week

957
00:45:47,340 --> 00:45:44,590
on strange familiars people want to tune

958
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:47,350
into that writing up new book with

959
00:45:51,150 --> 00:45:48,850
Joshua kuchen it's called where the

960
00:45:53,370 --> 00:45:51,160
footprints end and we are digging into

961
00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:53,380
all of the really really weird stuff

962
00:45:57,900 --> 00:45:56,320
like disappearing trackways and single

963
00:46:00,180 --> 00:45:57,910
footprints people fine you know that's

964
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:00,190
phenomena it just drives me crazy you

965
00:46:03,990 --> 00:46:01,050
know

966
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:04,000
JC Johnson and I were pretty tight and

967
00:46:08,550 --> 00:46:06,850
he used to tell me about all these these

968
00:46:10,860 --> 00:46:08,560
trails he would follow they just

969
00:46:13,260 --> 00:46:10,870
complete the end mm-hmm you know we're

970
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:13,270
talking about Sasquatch with wings and

971
00:46:19,950 --> 00:46:15,760
you know Linda Godfrey has been talking

972
00:46:21,780 --> 00:46:19,960
about this bats ask back Squatch or

973
00:46:23,910 --> 00:46:21,790
whatever it is that you know from

974
00:46:26,580 --> 00:46:23,920
lacrosse oil and other areas of

975
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:26,590
Wisconsin for years I don't know if it's

976
00:46:33,630 --> 00:46:30,730
related to that but go ahead I'd agree

977
00:46:36,330 --> 00:46:33,640
oh no it's just it's I mean even locally

978
00:46:38,460 --> 00:46:36,340
some these very you know somewhat

979
00:46:41,430 --> 00:46:38,470
locally famous cases I should say from

980
00:46:43,020 --> 00:46:41,440
the seventies if you dig in you know the

981
00:46:44,670 --> 00:46:43,030
there was one in Delta where there was

982
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:44,680
it was a two mile track way they found

983
00:46:49,650 --> 00:46:47,440
pretty incredible track way across the

984
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:49,660
barbed wire fence if they got hair of it

985
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:51,490
they found a rabbit that was killed

986
00:46:56,700 --> 00:46:53,170
along the way they think that that

987
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:56,710
whatever it was killed a rabbit and just

988
00:46:59,880 --> 00:46:58,020
ended in the middle of the field

989
00:47:02,580 --> 00:46:59,890
footprints just right up in the middle

990
00:47:04,350 --> 00:47:02,590
of the field so you know if it's

991
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:04,360
happened locally it happens everywhere

992
00:47:08,190 --> 00:47:06,820
it's it's it's very very strange but

993
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:08,200
there's all kinds of phenomenon

994
00:47:12,540 --> 00:47:10,330
associated with it that is really really

995
00:47:14,490 --> 00:47:12,550
bizarre you know and and this is the

996
00:47:16,260 --> 00:47:14,500
stuff that you know stands documented

997
00:47:19,170 --> 00:47:16,270
for however many decades you know

998
00:47:20,850 --> 00:47:19,180
Bigfoot holding glowing orbs and people

999
00:47:22,860 --> 00:47:20,860
saying them you know literally blink out

1000
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:22,870
of sight and of course the whole

1001
00:47:26,190 --> 00:47:24,490
predator thing people are reporting they

1002
00:47:28,530 --> 00:47:26,200
say they you know they'll kind of phase

1003
00:47:31,950 --> 00:47:28,540
out like the in like the camouflage

1004
00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:31,960
creature from the predator and just all

1005
00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:34,030
kinds of bizarreness associated with

1006
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:36,430
with these creatures including you know

1007
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:38,290
all kinds of unexplained lights and so

1008
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:40,330
forth so it's two volumes Josh and I

1009
00:47:42,330 --> 00:47:40,930
writing

1010
00:47:46,410 --> 00:47:42,340
there's there's no shortage of material

1011
00:47:48,150 --> 00:47:46,420
out there there well you know the one

1012
00:47:51,150 --> 00:47:48,160
thing that's fascinated me over the

1013
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:51,160
years is the increasing sightings of

1014
00:47:55,950 --> 00:47:53,770
Bigfoot or whatever along the

1015
00:47:59,070 --> 00:47:55,960
Susquehanna River especially on the west

1016
00:48:00,750 --> 00:47:59,080
side there do stay the whole way down

1017
00:48:03,030 --> 00:48:00,760
into Maryland it seems like there's a

1018
00:48:06,240 --> 00:48:03,040
lot of sightings and a lot of evidence

1019
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:06,250
has been coming forth over the years

1020
00:48:10,620 --> 00:48:08,130
I mean you've reported a lot of it

1021
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:10,630
you've got it you've got a research area

1022
00:48:17,970 --> 00:48:14,800
that's right along the river and it does

1023
00:48:19,650 --> 00:48:17,980
seem to be a phenomena that you know hot

1024
00:48:23,490 --> 00:48:19,660
or cold but it does happen

1025
00:48:26,190 --> 00:48:23,500
mm-hmm yeah oh yeah yeah in fact the you

1026
00:48:27,930 --> 00:48:26,200
know I write about in wood knocks vol 3

1027
00:48:30,780 --> 00:48:27,940
that the series that David Webley put

1028
00:48:32,220 --> 00:48:30,790
out I write about Delta just eight

1029
00:48:34,200 --> 00:48:32,230
square miles down in Delta and the

1030
00:48:38,430 --> 00:48:34,210
incredible number of sightings that are

1031
00:48:39,870 --> 00:48:38,440
in that area and the kind of wingo stuff

1032
00:48:41,820 --> 00:48:39,880
is really right across the river from

1033
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:41,830
that and just a little bit south I mean

1034
00:48:46,170 --> 00:48:44,200
so what's going on there you know it's

1035
00:48:47,940 --> 00:48:46,180
it's really not far from that and you

1036
00:48:49,980 --> 00:48:47,950
know there's another area that doesn't

1037
00:48:52,410 --> 00:48:49,990
treat me that I've been hearing things

1038
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:52,420
about this area for a long time is

1039
00:49:00,240 --> 00:48:56,290
maecius State Forest oh yeah oh yeah

1040
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:00,250
whatever reason the the past I'd say

1041
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:02,890
decade I have been getting sighting

1042
00:49:09,210 --> 00:49:05,140
reports out of there for Bigfoot in

1043
00:49:12,810 --> 00:49:09,220
upright canines and you know I have

1044
00:49:14,370 --> 00:49:12,820
already had several reports because

1045
00:49:15,540 --> 00:49:14,380
there's a major highway goes right

1046
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:15,550
through the State Forest

1047
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:18,130
right near to Caledonia which is route

1048
00:49:23,610 --> 00:49:20,890
30 with Lincoln Lincoln Highway right

1049
00:49:26,370 --> 00:49:23,620
and I have had people telling me for

1050
00:49:28,350 --> 00:49:26,380
years that they would literally see

1051
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:28,360
Bigfoot coming out of the woods picking

1052
00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:32,890
up dead deer roadkill sling low they're

1053
00:49:37,140 --> 00:49:34,360
shorter than taking it back into the

1054
00:49:38,610 --> 00:49:37,150
woods I I know of at least three

1055
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:38,620
sightings like that

1056
00:49:44,460 --> 00:49:42,370
it was rate behind Caledonia in in

1057
00:49:46,260 --> 00:49:44,470
Michaud there where I first became

1058
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:46,270
convinced there's something to these

1059
00:49:51,570 --> 00:49:49,090
tree structures before us I saw this one

1060
00:49:53,460 --> 00:49:51,580
I was like yeah maybe maybe not and I

1061
00:49:55,020 --> 00:49:53,470
was on the side right you did see one

1062
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:55,030
vignette that's right

1063
00:50:00,180 --> 00:49:57,130
I saw a huge one in yeah tree structure

1064
00:50:02,850 --> 00:50:00,190
I'm talking about in there on the side

1065
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:02,860
of a mountain and it had to be made with

1066
00:50:06,390 --> 00:50:04,570
hands there was a living tree that was

1067
00:50:08,370 --> 00:50:06,400
bent into this and and parts of it

1068
00:50:10,620 --> 00:50:08,380
wedged together and I'm looking at this

1069
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:10,630
thing I'm like you know if people did

1070
00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:13,210
this they needed a ladder so who's

1071
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:14,980
bringing the ladder up on the side of a

1072
00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:17,650
mountain you know off of a trail it's

1073
00:50:21,090 --> 00:50:19,960
just it was bizarre that's the first one

1074
00:50:22,500 --> 00:50:21,100
that really caught my eye and thought

1075
00:50:24,930 --> 00:50:22,510
and I made me think well I think there's

1076
00:50:29,580 --> 00:50:24,940
something to these tree structure things

1077
00:50:31,560 --> 00:50:29,590
it's a Machaut is a really creepy place

1078
00:50:33,510 --> 00:50:31,570
when you start getting to the weird

1079
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:33,520
reports I believe I've just been saying

1080
00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:34,810
the whole forest is haunted with the

1081
00:50:39,740 --> 00:50:36,820
number of reports that are coming out

1082
00:50:42,810 --> 00:50:39,750
they're new and old I shared that one

1083
00:50:44,910 --> 00:50:42,820
upright canine with you that I received

1084
00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:44,920
recently it was an old report but it was

1085
00:50:50,100 --> 00:50:46,210
the first time she ever talked about it

1086
00:50:52,950 --> 00:50:50,110
and she was so emotionally affected by

1087
00:50:56,610 --> 00:50:52,960
it that she was crying on the phone with

1088
00:50:59,310 --> 00:50:56,620
me when she was talking about it yeah

1089
00:51:01,080 --> 00:50:59,320
though the upright canine cuz Butch and

1090
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:01,090
I got one too

1091
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:06,160
in the area just above Caledonia going

1092
00:51:13,350 --> 00:51:10,480
into those cabin areas that you're going

1093
00:51:15,330 --> 00:51:13,360
up to Laurel Lake mm-hmm yeah I mean

1094
00:51:20,040 --> 00:51:15,340
that I've had a lot of weird settings

1095
00:51:22,740 --> 00:51:20,050
along that road I don't know you know

1096
00:51:25,620 --> 00:51:22,750
ameesha is kind of a strange I mean it

1097
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:25,630
basically extends from Matt how he

1098
00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:29,680
Springs south unto the Maryland line

1099
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:32,860
basically yeah it goes area I mean yeah

1100
00:51:37,020 --> 00:51:34,690
it goes I guess almost in the Columbia

1101
00:51:39,990 --> 00:51:37,030
County or is it in but anyway yes it's

1102
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:40,000
just a huge horse yeah yeah you know

1103
00:51:47,190 --> 00:51:42,850
I've received I received weird sightings

1104
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:47,200
up along you know Mount Holly Springs up

1105
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:51,610
in that area big spring down south in

1106
00:51:54,780 --> 00:51:52,330
Neuville

1107
00:51:58,170 --> 00:51:54,790
in there that's Cumberland County and

1108
00:52:02,400 --> 00:51:58,180
you know in the springtime those

1109
00:52:06,480 --> 00:52:02,410
limestone creeks are populated by a lot

1110
00:52:08,770 --> 00:52:06,490
of flat fishermen and they see a lot of

1111
00:52:13,820 --> 00:52:08,780
things in their yellow breeches area

1112
00:52:16,550 --> 00:52:13,830
so yeah that that whole state forest is

1113
00:52:19,310 --> 00:52:16,560
really strange you know I got chased out

1114
00:52:23,780 --> 00:52:19,320
by something there many years ago about

1115
00:52:26,300 --> 00:52:23,790
25 years ago I was up at the reservoir

1116
00:52:30,170 --> 00:52:26,310
in Caledonia I don't know if you know

1117
00:52:32,900 --> 00:52:30,180
where that's at yeah you know and I was

1118
00:52:36,500 --> 00:52:32,910
actually fishing because I used to fish

1119
00:52:37,220 --> 00:52:36,510
along the kind of coat cheek for many

1120
00:52:38,420 --> 00:52:37,230
many years

1121
00:52:39,890 --> 00:52:38,430
you know I used to do a lot of fly

1122
00:52:42,410 --> 00:52:39,900
fishing in there so I was up there

1123
00:52:44,540 --> 00:52:42,420
fishing and something came barreling

1124
00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:44,550
through those weeds and they're high

1125
00:52:48,890 --> 00:52:47,010
weeds they're the middle of day came

1126
00:52:50,930 --> 00:52:48,900
barreling through that sound like a damn

1127
00:52:53,690 --> 00:52:50,940
rhinoceros coming through there I got

1128
00:52:56,480 --> 00:52:53,700
out because I wasn't gonna sit there and

1129
00:53:00,350 --> 00:52:56,490
be worried what it was it was I know

1130
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:00,360
when a bear so who knows what it is yeah

1131
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:03,450
I've taken three different reports of

1132
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:05,310
three different people and they've all

1133
00:53:08,300 --> 00:53:06,810
they've all met me out there and took me

1134
00:53:10,490 --> 00:53:08,310
to where it happened so it's been really

1135
00:53:12,620 --> 00:53:10,500
neat and it's kind of like one on the

1136
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:12,630
north end up at White Rock so it's just

1137
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:15,660
north of Michelle and in Cumberland

1138
00:53:20,090 --> 00:53:17,850
County there but it's rate yeah I mean

1139
00:53:22,310 --> 00:53:20,100
the woods connect to Michelle from that

1140
00:53:25,580 --> 00:53:22,320
alone that was a lonely Appalachian

1141
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:25,590
Trail somebody in the middle of my show

1142
00:53:30,350 --> 00:53:27,150
and then someone down the south side

1143
00:53:32,150 --> 00:53:30,360
even south of Caledonia and they were

1144
00:53:34,010 --> 00:53:32,160
all very very similar stories involved

1145
00:53:35,780 --> 00:53:34,020
being screamed at by something none of

1146
00:53:37,700 --> 00:53:35,790
them saw anything but they it scared

1147
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:37,710
them all so much that that you know it

1148
00:53:43,250 --> 00:53:40,890
left an impression you know for good on

1149
00:53:44,630 --> 00:53:43,260
them you know well and that's right

1150
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:44,640
that's one thing I didn't mention that

1151
00:53:47,930 --> 00:53:47,010
the Appalachian Trail goes right through

1152
00:53:51,110 --> 00:53:47,940
meet you

1153
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:51,120
mm-hmm and you know that whole area of

1154
00:53:56,930 --> 00:53:53,970
Pennsylvania up into Harrisburg around

1155
00:53:59,810 --> 00:53:56,940
there at Camp Hill and such where the

1156
00:54:01,790 --> 00:53:59,820
Appalachian Trail goes through I've had

1157
00:54:04,250 --> 00:54:01,800
a lot of weird incidents over the year

1158
00:54:06,140 --> 00:54:04,260
especially up around Camp Hill yeah

1159
00:54:07,550 --> 00:54:06,150
that's you know people that don't know

1160
00:54:12,620 --> 00:54:07,560
that's what the area we they call the

1161
00:54:15,590 --> 00:54:12,630
West Shore and they're actually bit some

1162
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:15,600
deaths on that on that Appalachian Trail

1163
00:54:20,630 --> 00:54:18,930
in that area yes there have there's been

1164
00:54:22,160 --> 00:54:20,640
some yeah there's a lot of stuff that's

1165
00:54:24,380 --> 00:54:22,170
you know maybe not paranormal

1166
00:54:26,690 --> 00:54:24,390
but you wonder it well it's like you

1167
00:54:28,490 --> 00:54:26,700
were telling me about you uncovered that

1168
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:28,500
story about the guy who was wrapped in

1169
00:54:32,780 --> 00:54:30,660
chains and dumped in the kid Oris yeah

1170
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:32,790
right by the furnace there so yeah it's

1171
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:35,010
not a paranormal thing but you know when

1172
00:54:38,240 --> 00:54:36,930
a lot of these other weird kind of

1173
00:54:40,040 --> 00:54:38,250
events start happening in the same

1174
00:54:42,170 --> 00:54:40,050
places you go like okay is is there

1175
00:54:44,210 --> 00:54:42,180
something to this because a lot they

1176
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:44,220
found a lot of bodies up around the

1177
00:54:50,300 --> 00:54:46,290
odorous furnace in the 70s yeah and

1178
00:54:53,090 --> 00:54:50,310
there's been a lot of really bed you

1179
00:54:58,250 --> 00:54:53,100
know human crime on the 80 coming

1180
00:55:01,070 --> 00:54:58,260
through that area you're right so you're

1181
00:55:01,730 --> 00:55:01,080
writing a book to Tobias what you tell

1182
00:55:07,150 --> 00:55:01,740
people about it

1183
00:55:10,090 --> 00:55:07,160
oh yeah sure so I decided I to try to

1184
00:55:12,830 --> 00:55:10,100
explain my experience I guess

1185
00:55:16,940 --> 00:55:12,840
investigating the Lake Michigan Mothman

1186
00:55:21,710 --> 00:55:16,950
sightings and and III wanted to explain

1187
00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:21,720
it to people in a way that would help

1188
00:55:26,180 --> 00:55:24,120
them make sense of it you know not

1189
00:55:28,940 --> 00:55:26,190
necessarily in a way that is gonna

1190
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:28,950
convince them of my opinion although I

1191
00:55:32,210 --> 00:55:30,450
like to think my opinion is pretty

1192
00:55:36,860 --> 00:55:32,220
reasonable so hopefully you know maybe

1193
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:36,870
it will but more in a way where it'll

1194
00:55:43,360 --> 00:55:39,570
just help organize the information we

1195
00:55:46,730 --> 00:55:43,370
have and give them all of all of the

1196
00:55:50,060 --> 00:55:46,740
relevant details that you know I I can

1197
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:50,070
give them four for each sighting you

1198
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:52,200
know because it's it's difficult I I

1199
00:55:58,040 --> 00:55:54,930
meet people all the time who have strong

1200
00:56:01,010 --> 00:55:58,050
opinions on this you know

1201
00:56:02,630 --> 00:56:01,020
Lake Michigan Mothman case you know they

1202
00:56:05,810 --> 00:56:02,640
got really strong opinions on it and

1203
00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:05,820
they don't know you know like they they

1204
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:09,930
might know a third of the cases you know

1205
00:56:15,350 --> 00:56:11,670
we've we've we've covered like they

1206
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:15,360
might be familiar with 30% maybe maybe

1207
00:56:21,290 --> 00:56:18,330
you know or maybe they just know the

1208
00:56:25,520 --> 00:56:21,300
2017 sightings and you know but if you

1209
00:56:28,850 --> 00:56:25,530
don't know the historical sightings if

1210
00:56:32,210 --> 00:56:28,860
if if you don't you know understand what

1211
00:56:35,690 --> 00:56:32,220
other external phenomena might have been

1212
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:35,700
influencing things in Chicago in 2017

1213
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:37,770
if you don't know you know what's been

1214
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:41,430
happening in in you know since late 2018

1215
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:45,510
early 2019 if you don't know about all

1216
00:56:51,589 --> 00:56:47,970
of the associated high strangeness cases

1217
00:56:54,289 --> 00:56:51,599
that we've received in those areas then

1218
00:56:56,660 --> 00:56:54,299
you know frankly you don't you just

1219
00:56:58,970 --> 00:56:56,670
don't know this case and and and that's

1220
00:57:02,200 --> 00:56:58,980
what I want to try to bring to people

1221
00:57:05,720 --> 00:57:02,210
you know I I know people hate this so I

1222
00:57:08,780 --> 00:57:05,730
apologize in advance if you if arcane

1223
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:08,790
radio gets me flack for it but the fact

1224
00:57:16,970 --> 00:57:13,890
is if you compare the phenomena that we

1225
00:57:18,890 --> 00:57:16,980
have been investigating you line it up

1226
00:57:21,289 --> 00:57:18,900
with the Associated high strangeness and

1227
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:21,299
and and everything else involved and you

1228
00:57:27,530 --> 00:57:22,890
compare it to what people were talking

1229
00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:27,540
about you know from from 1966 1967 in

1230
00:57:34,190 --> 00:57:32,010
West Virginia you know I I think it

1231
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:34,200
would be difficult to make the argument

1232
00:57:39,890 --> 00:57:38,010
that they are more different than they

1233
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:39,900
are similar because they seem pretty

1234
00:57:45,349 --> 00:57:43,770
similar to me yeah I think you're you're

1235
00:57:46,609 --> 00:57:45,359
being a little generous device I think a

1236
00:57:49,789 --> 00:57:46,619
lot of these people who are commenting

1237
00:57:52,010 --> 00:57:49,799
are really not familiar at all they're

1238
00:57:56,870 --> 00:57:52,020
familiar with someone else's opinion on

1239
00:58:00,140 --> 00:57:56,880
cases I don't know honestly yeah you're

1240
00:58:02,599 --> 00:58:00,150
right I just I I'm nothing if not

1241
00:58:03,890 --> 00:58:02,609
diplomatic but yeah I mean you're being

1242
00:58:05,990 --> 00:58:03,900
generous and that's fine that's that's

1243
00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:06,000
probably you know that's the kind way to

1244
00:58:13,089 --> 00:58:10,500
be right just so they don't they don't

1245
00:58:18,650 --> 00:58:13,099
read what we write about it but yeah

1246
00:58:21,710 --> 00:58:18,660
between ourselves it's a little private

1247
00:58:23,599 --> 00:58:21,720
but yeah so I thought if I could get

1248
00:58:28,099 --> 00:58:23,609
this this book out and just sort of lay

1249
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:28,109
everything out then you know anybody who

1250
00:58:33,230 --> 00:58:31,290
wants to have any opinion on this

1251
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:33,240
investigation and talk to me about it

1252
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:36,420
you know instead of endlessly and

1253
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:39,569
repeatedly answering the same questions

1254
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:41,010
I can just say did you read the book

1255
00:58:48,630 --> 00:58:45,450
because sirs in there so yeah we just

1256
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:52,019
- well it's it's gonna have some the

1257
00:58:59,370 --> 00:58:55,930
later stuff as far as the wings humanoid

1258
00:59:02,609 --> 00:58:59,380
settings but I'm gonna be doing a flying

1259
00:59:04,259 --> 00:59:02,619
cryptid book which after my surgery I'm

1260
00:59:05,460 --> 00:59:04,269
probably gonna start getting serious

1261
00:59:09,329 --> 00:59:05,470
into it

1262
00:59:12,509 --> 00:59:09,339
- already warned to publish here we're

1263
00:59:14,190 --> 00:59:12,519
gonna work on that so all three of us

1264
00:59:17,009 --> 00:59:14,200
have got projects going on which is

1265
00:59:21,599 --> 00:59:17,019
great I mean I don't think there are

1266
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:21,609
many many teams that have at least three

1267
00:59:28,859 --> 00:59:24,010
people writing books about things that

1268
00:59:33,329 --> 00:59:28,869
they're experiencing yeah probably not

1269
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:33,339
yeah this is a I'm very very proud and

1270
00:59:36,900 --> 00:59:34,930
happy to be part of this group I think

1271
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:36,910
you you put the other a good group of

1272
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:38,650
people me excluded I'm not even

1273
00:59:46,980 --> 00:59:44,529
including myself well we all try I mean

1274
00:59:48,599 --> 00:59:46,990
I guess so in the intro we're

1275
00:59:53,519 --> 00:59:48,609
well-rounded group we've got a lot of

1276
00:59:56,370 --> 00:59:53,529
years experience and in this we don't

1277
00:59:58,980 --> 00:59:56,380
kind of rely on the other people outside

1278
01:00:03,089 --> 00:59:58,990
of our group to give us information

1279
01:00:05,549 --> 01:00:03,099
about things we do it ourselves and we

1280
01:00:07,980 --> 01:00:05,559
stick up for our witnesses which is

1281
01:00:11,579 --> 01:00:07,990
something we heard a lot of gruff about

1282
01:00:13,769 --> 01:00:11,589
during the Chicago sightings as far as

1283
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:13,779
sharing witness information which I just

1284
01:00:20,339 --> 01:00:16,450
will not do amen amen

1285
01:00:22,710 --> 01:00:20,349
that's that's I won't do it either it's

1286
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:22,720
just we've had the discussion before

1287
01:00:26,460 --> 01:00:24,400
it's just ya hard enough to get people

1288
01:00:28,109 --> 01:00:26,470
to talk and this is sensitive stuff it's

1289
01:00:29,819 --> 01:00:28,119
really sensitive stuff and it's

1290
01:00:31,049 --> 01:00:29,829
upsetting like I said that that one

1291
01:00:33,180 --> 01:00:31,059
witness to call me recently she was

1292
01:00:34,980 --> 01:00:33,190
crying and she in no way wanted to be

1293
01:00:37,589 --> 01:00:34,990
identified at all you know she doesn't

1294
01:00:40,380 --> 01:00:37,599
want even a hint of it on her and I

1295
01:00:41,999 --> 01:00:40,390
understand you know so hey I took the

1296
01:00:44,730 --> 01:00:42,009
report if people don't want to believe

1297
01:00:47,339 --> 01:00:44,740
it you know what can I do but you know I

1298
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:47,349
report it as I receive it sure well I

1299
01:00:55,759 --> 01:00:50,230
mean you know I I find it so predatory

1300
01:01:00,450 --> 01:00:55,769
and it's it's it's almost it's it's

1301
01:01:01,950 --> 01:01:00,460
narcissistic if not sociopathic in some

1302
01:01:04,829 --> 01:01:01,960
people's

1303
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:04,839
complete disregard for the fact that

1304
01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:07,450
there is a human life behind this story

1305
01:01:12,690 --> 01:01:09,640
because for a lot of people it's what

1306
01:01:16,410 --> 01:01:12,700
can this story do for me

1307
01:01:18,780 --> 01:01:16,420
and so ya know I'm not gonna let any I'm

1308
01:01:21,329 --> 01:01:18,790
not going to facilitate somebody taking

1309
01:01:23,030 --> 01:01:21,339
advantage of someone for celebrity like

1310
01:01:27,120 --> 01:01:23,040
that's never gonna happen

1311
01:01:29,190 --> 01:01:27,130
hmm amen yeah so guys I thank you for

1312
01:01:31,770 --> 01:01:29,200
joining me tonight we're going to do

1313
01:01:33,630 --> 01:01:31,780
this again when butch gets himself

1314
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:33,640
straight now maybe we get Shawn to come

1315
01:01:38,849 --> 01:01:36,730
on as well we can we can get into a lot

1316
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,859
of different things but you know I I I

1317
01:01:44,130 --> 01:01:40,960
do believe things are gonna pick up

1318
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:44,140
going later into the summer into the

1319
01:01:52,140 --> 01:01:48,000
fall so let's hope the weather

1320
01:01:54,180 --> 01:01:52,150
cooperates with us right on yeah okay

1321
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:54,190
guys thanks again for join me all right

1322
01:01:58,440 --> 01:01:54,910
Thank You lon

1323
01:02:00,510 --> 01:01:58,450
yeah thanks Larry now if you have an

1324
01:02:02,190 --> 01:02:00,520
unexplained encounter sighting feel free

1325
01:02:05,070 --> 01:02:02,200
to contact me through the families of

1326
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:05,080
monsters blog sleep my new book alien

1327
01:02:10,620 --> 01:02:07,570
disclosure experiences exposed reality

1328
01:02:13,290 --> 01:02:10,630
is available in amazon.com just search

1329
01:02:16,620 --> 01:02:13,300
my name launch strickler and all my

1330
01:02:19,500 --> 01:02:16,630
titles will appear now I want to express

1331
01:02:21,630 --> 01:02:19,510
my deep sadness at the passing of my

1332
01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:21,640
friend and colleague rosemary ellen

1333
01:02:27,740 --> 01:02:25,150
guiley now rosemary assisted me during

1334
01:02:31,380 --> 01:02:27,750
the Chicago winged humanoid incidents in

1335
01:02:34,050 --> 01:02:31,390
2017 by following up a witness report

1336
01:02:37,230 --> 01:02:34,060
verification and offering her insight

1337
01:02:40,500 --> 01:02:37,240
and advice she also lectured on the

1338
01:02:43,440 --> 01:02:40,510
Chicago phenomena during her exclusive

1339
01:02:46,790 --> 01:02:43,450
presentation at the 2017 Mothman

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festival in Point Pleasant West Virginia

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now rosemary will be missed by thousands

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of her friends and fans

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Godspeed row now there will be no show

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next Friday since I'm I'll be

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recuperating from surgery so I want to

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again thank Tobias Whalen and Tim Renner

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for joining me this evening and I want

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to thank you for listening to the show

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good night and have a safe and enjoyable

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[Music]

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[Applause]

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[Music]